Friday, July 24, 2020

Speaking of discrimination

Various tv shows have been pulled because although they were made at a certain time, they are considered racist. I am not sure about removing them from public viewing but what could be worse than the ever so funny English tv show Love Thy Neighbour. You can find clips on Youtube where Eddie calls his black neighbour a nig nog or a darkie. But maybe it wasn't so bad as it may seem. The 'darkie' was smarter than Eddie and always came out on top. They were drinking mates, trading insults. He was certainly much nice looking than Eddie.

While this link takes you to an earlier time, it is good that the history is on recent records. My goodness, doesn't Dame Barbara Castle look like a piece of work.

https://www.kentonline.co.uk/medway/news/the-quiet-man-who-changed-history-230769/


38 comments:

  1. It's all a load of crap!

    And I'm not even going to say "what next"...even though I have!

    For god's sake, this latest call for banning is a lot of rot!!!! These clowns who have demanded the name change if "Coon Cheese" should read (if they can read, that is) and learn the truth...the facts. Clowns!!!!

    For their information... "COON is the Australian trademark of a cheddar cheese produced by the Warrnambool Cheese and Butter company. It was first launched in 1935 by Fred Walker. Coon cheese is named after its American creator, Edward William Coon (1871–1934) of Philadelphia, who patented a method, subsequently known as the Cooning process, for fast maturation of cheese via high temperature and humidity."

    When will all this p/c b/s end???

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    1. I was going to add in Coon Cheese Lee, but I forgot. I have never connected the cheese Coon with black people and on the face of it, it seems to be nonsense. However, if black people, rather the white political correct people find it offensive, then I don't really care about the name change. I can't remember if we ever called Aborigines, Coons. I heard the name black fellas used this morning on the radio in a friendly tone. I like that. I wonder if some find that offensive???

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    2. I don't recall our aboriginals ever being called Coons, they were called Boongs where I grew up, and Coons were the American Africans. I never liked either term as they just sound nasty. now I'm wondering what the new name for Coon cheese will be.

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    3. River, while I had minimal contact with Aborigines when I was young, nor do I remember them being called coons, but as you say, yes boongs. It is not a word I have ever liked but I am not sure it was always meant offensively.

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    4. Im totally in support of the company's name change, its their business decision and its a good one, avoids unnecessary accidental racism. Eventhough its someone's name, but if the word itself is a racial slur, then why not change it? Like Hitler was a common surname in Germany, then after Adolf Hitler, many family changed their surname to something else, to avoid unnecessary hatred and cause controversy. And the word Hitler is just a word, however it is heavily associated with the horrible person who caused the deaths of millions of Jewish people. When I typed in Coon into Google, first thing that shows up is the racial slur. 'Coon is an extremely offensive slur for a Black person. It’s rooted in the racist history of Blackface and comes from a shortening of raccoon.' So yes change the name. I am not a black person so I cannot fully feel the discomfort when I hear that word, I am however an asian person, and I have been called racial slurs like Ching Chong or Chinks, if I see that on food products in supermarket, it would make me feel uneasy. I also understand that the root of it is that it wasnt meant to be offensive and its just the name of Edward William Coon, but as I mentioned earlier, unfortunately the word is more closely associated with a racial slur than a surname.
      So all Im saying is, if the company wants to change the name, then I am in full support of it. Reduces drama, no big deal. You don't need to defend the Coon name when the company WANTS to change it.

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    5. Thanks. It is good to get a non white person perspective by someone not directly affected.

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  2. Huge praise to Asquith Xavier. It must have taken a lot of courage and I am glad it paid off. I can only hope that is a very, very bad photo of Dame Barbara Castle.

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    1. EC, certainly now, media organisations have a selection of photos of people in the media to match the tone of their story. Perhaps it was so back then too.

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    2. You are almost certainly right. Which speaks volumes for how she was perceived by the media organisation in question.

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  3. Any racist slur is nasty, _if_ the recipient feels mortified.
    Coon was and is very nasty, ditto towel head, Christ-killer, fag, half breed or gypo. It almost doesn't matter whether the speaker intended to be vicious or not.

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    1. Hels, that is the point. If the person at the end finds the word offensive, then that is what matters. But did we really connect Coon with black people? I don't think we did, but if they are offended by it, fine, change the name. The cheese will taste the same.

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  4. Growing up in Africa I guess Coon as a brand name didn't seem ok but after reading Lee's explanation of why it's called that I see why, but if it was launched in 1935, they would have totally been aware and should have used an alternative name. Racism was alive and well before, then and now!

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    1. Grace, it's interesting to get your perspective. So it was a word dating back to before 1935.

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    2. Oh I see your point Andrew, I'm old but not that old 😁

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  5. I have mixed feelings about some of the TV shows being pulled -- I for one loved "Little Britain" and I'm sorry to see it go, for example. (I think they mocked everyone in equal measure, which is part of what made it such a brilliant show.) But I can understand how others might disagree. That was a very interesting article!

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    1. Steve, I'm sorry. I can't understand a word of what you have written 😉

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    2. Ha! "Not a word! Not a word!"

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  6. I liked The Jeffersons on TV. Very funny about a biracial couple with a black maid. They mustn't send this series to the dustbin. It's classic and so wonderful and hilarious.

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    1. Gigi, I had totally forgotten about that show. Thanks.

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  7. Anonymous6:41 am

    My aboriginal friends have always thought coon was offensive, and I know many white people who have never bought that brand because of that. It is always discounted too. Congrats to the new owners Saputo for changing the name

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    1. Thanks Anon. I didn't know any of that.

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  8. Further to the above, Andrew....I have more thoughts on the matter.....

    I went to school with a Trevor White, a Shirley Green, and a David Black. I knew a man named Ray White, and, later, a man named John Blackman. I had a friend called Charlie Gray.

    By default, I had an Aunty Violet; and an Aunty Rose. A neighbour was called Olive; her sister was Iris.

    There was a Ruby in the mix somewhere, too. Pink, the singer, will probably have to re-think her name.

    My mother had red hair...ginger, some call red-heads.

    Three coppers were our next door neighbours when I was a kid.

    Is there going to be a blue over these names, too!

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    1. I don't know Lee. I was kind of with you about the word until all the comments came through. I just didn't realise. All I feel now is great sadness.

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  9. EC has said it better than I :)

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  10. Unfortunately, people like me (Lily white) can no longer look at anyone of any different skin colour, without wondering if saying anything to them would cause offence. Proper racism is rightly outlawed, but almost anything these days can fall under its very wide banner.

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    1. Cro, having worked with people from all over the world for most of my working life, I never felt the need to censor what I said, although I did at one point realise that their self deprecating humour about them, their race or their countrymen was not not something to engage with.

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  11. So many people so, so touchy about so many things these days.
    Think I was brought up in an era where many of those touchy things of today were taken as a joke, no one took offence and no one thought anything about it.
    Would anyone or does anyone name their daughter 'Gay' these days, once was a popular name :)

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    1. Margaret, while I knew some Gayes, I sure don't now. It is not a name that will come back into fashion.

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  12. I LOVED that show! I have to go to you tube now...bye.

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    1. It was funny River. Joan, the wife was fine with the black neighbours.

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  13. I'm not sure that eradicating history solves anything. Best to have it out there and have an opinion of whether it is right, wrong or indifferent.

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    1. Joe, I firmly believe history should not be eradicated and if plaques have to go up on statues to explain the context, that is fine. I don't want to offend anyone by using a name for them that they don't like, and if black people in Australia find Coon offensive, fine, change it.

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  14. This racist thing becomes really ridiculous ! Even my "black" friends think so concerning movies or books or whatever ! It will make people even more racists because they cannot watch their old beloved movies anymore ! My greatson's best friend is a mixture and he has black Dutch children in his class, but he doesn't even realize that they are not white !

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    1. Ah yes Gattina. As my mother would say, Toby's little black friend. Toby will realise at some point that his friend is of a different skin colour, but I am sure it won't change the life long friendship.

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    2. Maybe not. Many coloured people are whiter than I am and fall into the coloured category only because of some very diluted ancestry.

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  15. Racism and replicating the past is a tightrope to walk.

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Before you change something, find out why it is the way it is in the first place - unknown.