Wednesday, June 17, 2020

Outrage

I don't believe that old tv shows and films displaying racism should be removed from public gaze. While the Don't Mention the War episode of Fawlty Towers was taken down by the BBC and then reinstated, it was nothing compared to Love Thy Neighbour or Alf Garnett.

Where does it all end? People are defacing or destroying historical statues and I don't like the destruction of our history.

I expect Hels might know about it as in Moscow there is a park full of statues of those who have fallen out of favour with the public or the Russian government for whatever reason.

Maybe that could be a solution to contentious statues in the western world, or as my preference would be, add a plaque to contentious statues to give some context.

Let's face it. You and I as people of certain ages would have been with the status quo 50 years ago, 100 years ago and 500 years ago. None of us would have marching in the streets about Black Lives Matter or even slavery. Our perhaps forgetful Prime Minister Morrison never learnt about black and Kanaka slavery in Australia?  But that is no reason to not stand up for what is right now. Black, white or brindle, we are all humans and entitled to the same lives we all live.

PS I forgot about writing this and saving it for the future. It is relevant to today's post so I will post it at the same time.

29 comments:

  1. It is indeed very relevant. I would be surprised to hear that statues of Hitler are found in streets, parks, gardens - despite him undeniably being part of their history.
    I don't think the statues should be defaced or destroyed but unless and until we are prepared to erect statues telling the other side of the story I think museums are a better place for them than streets/parks/city centres.

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    1. EC, aside from Pastor Doug Nichols and perhaps a couple of sportspeople, I don't think we have much in the way of statues of indigenous people. Then I just thought, what would you do about a statue of say Rolf Harris??? All very messy, but the statues should be addressed.

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    2. I believe that statues of Rolf have been removed. As have his paintings in many places.

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    3. A shame about the paintings as they are very good in my opinion and if I had any in my home I wouldn't remove them.

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    4. River, that is what makes it even worse. He was so talented.

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  2. There are statues, monuments to Dr. Martin Luther King. He was a man of peace and did so much to have people listen and open their minds and hearts.
    We had many who founded this country (USA) and at the time they had slaves. Yet they did wonderful things to build America. Were they perfect men? No. But they did so much.
    On October 20, 1803, the Senate ratified a treaty with France, promoted by President Thomas Jefferson, that doubled the size of the United States. It was known as The Louisiana Purchase.
    OK. A group of Morons just removed his statue in Congress and his memorial was defaced.
    Sometimes people judge what they have very little ability to understand.
    Groups attempted to deface Abraham Lincolns Monument and he was the President that stood firm and began the Civil War in order to set the Black People free. He was hated in the south, but we Northerners stood firmly behind him.
    My own ancestor General Ulysses S. Grant, was the General who brought the end to the War.
    I'm just waiting for the day I hear his monument is being defaced.
    None of this makes sense. Dr. King said that nothing made violence right. Strength came from peaceful demonstrations.
    Right now there are groups in this country who simply want to destroy, upset and kill.

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    1. Maribeth, I expect those in the north and black people would be supporters of Lincoln. Other than that, I don't know about your country's history to say much more.

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    2. And thanks for your contribution to help us understand.

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  3. It's all so exhausting and this obliteration of history, what exactly is it going to resolve for those not pearly white skinned? I roll my eyes regularly at this New World Order and look at NZ and their shining record now tarred and feathered. I am a grumpy old geezer and completely fed up with this stupid planet today.

    XO
    WWW

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  4. I still love "Fawlty Towers"...all 12 episodes...and it still is laugh-out loud comedy, in my opinion. Even the brief banning of that episode was a goose-step too far!

    Wow! ScoMo certainly does get a lot of flack from you. He is under constant pressure. I'm sure I wouldn't be capable of doing the job he is doing..would you be able to...juggling so many different issues in the air, simultaneously? I imagine if he was sitting on the left side of the fence, he'd be right.

    The tearing down of statues...trying to erase history... is not only stupid vandalism, it's ignorance personified.

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    1. Lee: The history that the contentious statues celebrate is very one sided. In the US of A particularly statues honouring men who fought to retain slavery remain. I am not at all surprised that those whose families were slaves, who would themselves have been slaves do not celebrate the men and their deeds. They certainly have their place but I believe that a museum (with both sides of the story told) is more appropriate place to house them. There are of course similar arguments here. And no, I am not advocating and do not support their destruction.

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    2. Lee, I while I still maintain he acted too slowly at the beginning of COVID, I read a long article on how hard he worked during the crisis and probably still is. I respect him for that, however, what a silly thing to say about slavery here. I wouldn't know where to start in such a crisis and I think he had very good adviser and ministerial support from a few. I'll go with EC about the statues.

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  5. Lee. Not only ignorance personified but intolerance as well. "I'm right, you're wrong, you will do as I say. Or else" And we all know where that leads to. - Ian

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    1. Ian, I am not one for covering up history but there are many perspectives to history and many statues really do belong in museums now. I wonder if in 40 years they start to find out about bad things sports people might have done, who seem to be the only people to have statues to them erected.

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  6. My biggest problem was regarding the huge public mausoleum of honour built for the Spanish dictator Franco. Not only had more than half the Spanish population felt terrorised by Franco during his life; the site had become a shrine for the violent Far Right.

    that site has become a shrine for the far right

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    1. Hels, that is a hard one. You can't exactly put a mausoleum in a museum. Wow, I just had a look. It is huge. I expect it was built by him before he died.

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  7. No one seems to have suggested what the BLM people actually want. If all the movement is to be remembered for is the destruction of statues and plaques, then it doesn't say much for their foresight.

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    1. Cro, radicals I suppose. What is to happen to statues of contentious historical figures that offend should be negotiated, but I certainly know some white people will take a no holds barred approach. Maybe black people too.

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  8. I don't understand why there those who want to tear down not so pretty part of our or who hertiage might be. Like Russian commmunist destorying the czar. It not getting entire picture and or story

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    1. Dora, we are all reasonable people and I think we agree that statues should be preserved, but in museums.

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  9. For me it depends a lot on the how, where, what, and why of a statue's existence. Some statues (such as that big one in New York Harbor) are simply more historical than others. And then there are the works of art. The crusades were hardly Christianity's finest moment, and a lot of people suffered because of them, but that doesn't mean we should remove the Pietà.

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    1. Kirk, I think going back to the time of Christ is going too far. I think the examination should be limited to not further back than the 18th century or maybe the 19th.

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  10. I agree with your outrage about the movies and TV series, removing them won't change history at all and since they were made in the past, people should be able to sit back and say "This is the way people thought and acted back then, but things are (or should be) different now. I also disagree with the sweetening/cleaning up of fairy tales and other children's books.

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    1. River, I agree with you, and also about old books and fairy tales, fairy tales not always being so nice.

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  11. History is our history no matter what country you live in. Statures are a reminder of what those people did, if we are educated in such matters.
    That Alf Garnett, well I must say I never missed an episode and he kept me laughing back then, today I don't find him half as funny.

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    1. Margaret, but no need for black people to be reminded of the massacre of their families. I don't find Alf funny either now, but I still find Love Thy Neighbour very funny, and Fawlty Towers.

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  12. No doubt about it, this is a tough topic to talk about, but I love that the conversations have started. Hugs, RO

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    1. RO, definitely the conversation we have to have.

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