Wednesday, May 13, 2020

Arm yourself

I have made a comment on a US blogger's site about personal ownership of guns in the past and it ended in tears. I still read her blog but I don't comment and I am sure she doesn't read mine now.

Hels recently commented on her own blog that we Australians and British do not understand the Patriot Movement in the US, nor the need to own guns, and she is quite right. We do not.

Growing up on a farm I have some knowledge of guns, that is how to use them. But to use them on a human being is whole other kettle of fish. (ok, yes I did shoot a slug gun (air rifle) pellet at my brother, but he was being very annoying and deserved it. Sadly I missed).

I've fired a .22 and a .303 along with a very old gun from one of the world wars but I forget its name (Enfield? No, I remember now, a Martini). They were my father's guns and not registered as they have bee legally required to be here, nor securely locked away and my step mother had possession of them until a few years ago. I think she stored them in the ceiling space. She asked us, Father's children if any of us wanted them and we all said no and so she took them to the police station to be crushed, no questions asked.

Now, I am trying to put myself in the situation. If I am in house in the countryside and someone was clearly up to no good on my property, I could fire a warning shot and I expect they would take off. Actually, my father did that once on the farm when someone was stealing petrol from our large storage tank and it worked.

But, what if the intruder was in your home and confronting you with either a knife of a gun? While there is a possibility of sexual assault, the mostly likely reason is to steal something of yours. Can you shoot him, mostly likely a him? I could not. Maybe if I was being attacked, but then it would probably be too late.

So aside from warning shots, I really don't understand American gun culture.

28 comments:

  1. David and I have never owned or fired a gun and never will.

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  2. I am with you. I suspect the gun culture is something you have to be brought up with, which we were not. My father had a gun which he used for hunting when money was short. Even while I still ate meat I viewed rabbit as poverty food. He once used it to kill a much loved dog who was in extreme pain when the vets were closed. After his death his gun went to the police and was, like your father's guns, destroyed.

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  3. I could never imagine shooting any living being.

    I have also heard from several sources that people who keep a gun in their homes "for protection" are far more likely to have said gun taken and then used on them.

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    1. or to accidentally shoot a family member...

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  4. I'm an American and I don't get it. And we certainly don't need to be packing war weapons. You are light years ahead of us in common sense in this regard.

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  5. And, if after the firing shot, the intruder/s didn't back off, but kept coming with one thing in mind...to do harm to your and/or your loved ones...would you not defend yourself and those you love? Would you just stand there, willing them forward?

    I'm damned sure I would do everything possible to protect...save my own life...if placed in such a situation. `I sure as hell wouldn't give in, give up without a fight!

    And, if a gun was a legal weapon to have/own...I would ensure I had had training (and kept it up by going regularly to shooting ranges) in how to use the gun correctly...to shoot straight...and not miss!

    Guns are not legal here...as we are aware...as I am aware...and most of us do not understand the American gun culture...I'm not going to debate that culture...it is not my place to do so.

    If my life was threatened I believe it would be my right to defend myself.

    Hypothetically, if I killed the offender with a knife or, say, a sledgehammer, and not a gun...does that make a difference?

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  6. As you know I live in the country. There are Bears, Coyotes and yes, I was the victim of a daytime break-in. Thankfully, my German Shepherd Lili saved me that day.
    I do own a gun. I have practiced using it. If the thief returns and attempts to harm me or the dogs, well, that gun will be useful, one way or another.
    I hope I never have to use it. I really do not want to, but neither do I wish to die.

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  7. What A Trip - Just Had A Similar Conversation - My Friend Informs Me That I Need A Gun - So I Responded With This Little Scenario

    Three Massive Intruders Come Through The Door And I Say," Hello Gents. Let Me Put Some Pants On. My Pants Are Right Here In My Room. Help Yourself To Some Grog In The Frig."

    I Trot My Happy A$$ Down The Hallway And Into My Room I Ponder. Is My Gun Under The Bed? Is My Gun In The Nightstand? Oh, Thats Right, Its Under My Pillow In Its Beautiful American Flag Holster.

    Lets See Now, How Many Bullets Will I Need. Hell, Load That Clip With All 13 And Slip On In The Chamber. Back Towards The Living I Waddle While Totting My Gun. I Quickly Thank The Fine Gentlemen For Doing My Dishes And Vacuuming While Gathered Myself.

    I Then Put The Pistol In My Mouth As I Feel Like A Million Bucks But Anit Got A Dime To My Name.

    Gun Control - America First Baby - Absolutely Sickening

    Needless To Say, My Friend Did Not Appreciate My Sarcasm. Then, Says THAT I NEED Help. Classic

    Big Hugs Brother In Arms
    Cheers

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  8. Yeah, when I see these folks dressed like thugs and draped in guns "protesting" over wearing a mask or something else, all I think is the inclusion of guns implies they will kill you if you don't do what they want. I avoid those sorts of people. They are big time bummers. I'm with you. I'm a non violent person who can't imagine shooting other people especially for just not agreeing with me.

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  9. As American, who lives in state of Idaho. I don't get or understand our fascination on guns. Three thing a candidate needs to bring up to win where I live is our second amendment, pro-life others anti abortion, and God is a conservative.
    Do we have gun in our home, direct answer is yes. Not even close to arsenal. If we got hungry we could shot some game, for now our guns are a dust collector.

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  10. It's a complex question. If one is out in the country, and legally owns a shotgun, and hears an intruder, I think one should be within one's rights to load the gun, and if necessary fire a shot. But the whole question of everyone owning handguns (like in Cowboy films) is asking for trouble; which of course they get.

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  11. I'm with you, simply don't understand the need, unless you live in the wilderness and hunt for food. The idea of having one around for safety or protection doesn't feel comfortable either. It's unlikely any intruder would have a gun. Well it used to be unlikely, I heard on the TV news recently about intruders with rifles, but that's not the norm here and I hope it never becomes the norm.

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    1. I wonder why these people don't call the policee or put an alarm at their houses ? I mean if you live in a civilized city. We all have an insurance against thefts so if they steal my computer I get a new, I won't risk my life for that !

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    2. I live in the middle of the woods. My home is hidden from most. I have insurance. However, that being said, the town next to us pretty much promotes Heroin use and pays the people who have that and keeps them into the drug. When they don't have enough money they go roaming to find anything they can to sell.
      I was home. I was alone. I was not afraid of them stealing anything, but I did fear for my life. The Police were on the way, I was on my cell phone with them, and Lili was making growling noises. But the fact remains, had they entered my home do I really want to risk my life?
      No!
      My little town is lovely. I consider it civilized. Neighbors helping neighbors.

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  12. Two white men have been charged with murder over the killing of a black jogger in Georgia. The two men shot and killed the jogger because they thought he looked like a thief.

    Ban guns now! Gaol the two white men for the next 30 years!

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  13. They have them because they can.
    Why - who knows, certainly not me.

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  14. I hate all weapons and in my family no one owned one.Lots of people have alarms and in any case what they steal are computers and TV's and everybody has an insurance against theft for the whole house or apartment ! I will never understand these Americans who are for guns and weapons, they are just cowards and onoly strong with a gun in hand ! Like the good old cownboys who where cow ..... boys ! Not very intelligent !

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    1. I am neither a coward or a cowboy.
      And last I checked I am quite intelligent.

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  15. Don't understand it either. If you are protecting yourself in the US and you shot someone, what happens then!
    The right to have a gun is in their second amendment to the Constitution, I believe. Or something like that and their gun lobby is very strong.
    Certainly not my cup of tea.
    Dad had a pistol, a police one and we had a gun when we lived on a farm for the 1st 8 years of married life, the gun was handy on the farm for obvious reasons.

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  16. Not all American gun owners are a part of the "gun culture." If I were being attacked, and escape was not possible, I would shoot back.

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  17. I think I can understand (although I don't agree with) the gun culture in our country. I believe lots of people in our country live in constant fear of others. Let me tell you, I am the last person in the world who should have a gun. Not because I am trigger-happy, but because I am inept. I drop things, walk into things, bump my head on things, just a total klutz. If armed, I'd be VERY dangerous. If someone broke into our house, I would probably shoot the ceiling fan because of my klutziness. I depend on good locks, a dog, and flying below the radar (keeping up the appearance of not having anything worth stealing).

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  18. I definitely don't understand the gun culture Andrew. The Second Amendment was passed in the late 1700's when the west was wild. Perhaps I just figured it out 😉

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  19. If I lived where every other person had a gun and seemed prepared to use it, I might want to have one too. But that would be a result of being afraid for my life, not because I felt it was my right to bear arms in case I wanted to rise up against my government, which is basically what the second amendment amounts to. And there's a huge difference between hunting rifles and assault weapons. Rabid gun-owners can't seem to get that difference.

    The irony is that so many of those who want their weapons are anti-abortion. A life is a life, in my opinion.

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  20. Anonymous7:43 am

    I don't understand their gun culture either. I am an Australian and read many global blogs, and it is fascinating to read the norms of people in different countries. Try criticizing circumcision as barbaric to people in the USA and you'll get the same defensive reaction. When reading English blogs, the use of "sat" instead of "sitting" makes me cringe.
    Janey

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  21. Thanks everyone. I would spend hours replying to your comments, all worthy. But no one has changed my mind about guns. Farmers or where you have wild animals that can kill, yes, ok. Otherwise, no.

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  22. A long time ago a brand new boyfriend taught me how to use a gun and then we went rabbit hunting and I shot one to impress him (I was 16) and I truly never got over it. I abhor guns to this day. Killing humans? Shee-ite. I will never understand USians and their "right to bear".

    XO
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