Monday, December 02, 2013

Badgerys Creek

It makes me feel very old when I hear of plans for an airport at Badgerys Creek in our state of New South Wales. Once again it is on the agenda. It is alternative for planes that now land at Sydney airport which is apparently overcrowded by too many flights. I have heard about an airport being built at Badgerys Creek for decades and nothing ever happens.

I don't know what an airport costs to build, but it would cost a lot of money. The money might be better spent on a train.

If high speed rail was built from Brisbane to Melbourne via Sydney and Canberra, there would be no need for a second Sydney airport.  From Melbourne, the first leg could be to Melbourne Airport, and then there would be no need for expansion of the freeway to the airport. It could be incorporated into the never to be built Footscray to South Yarra underground train line.

Flying from airports is a miserable experience. Catching a train is a wonderful experience.




18 comments:

  1. Agreed. Train trips can be exciting in their own right, not just en route to some other place that will eventually become exciting. We criss-crossed Spain and Portugal by train and loved it.

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  2. Just getting to Tullamarine airport is a miserable experience. I agree totally about high speed rail - it would reduce demand for domestic flights dramatically.

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    1. And it goes down hill from there FC.

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  3. The trouble is apparently in all countries of the world, that politicians make easy things difficult. Sometimes I think they must have some holes in their brains.

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    1. Just no vision, Gattina.

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  4. I hear you. High speed trains have also been mooted for a very long time. I would certainly prefer them to another airport but fear it is a political football. Another one.

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    1. EC, I wouldn't even hold my breath about an airport, but as I said, it would not be needed if we had a decent train system.

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  5. More trains!
    More trains!
    More trains!
    Oh, sorry, am I preaching to the converted? :P

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    1. You are my dear Jayne, you are.

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  6. How many decades have Governments grappled with the issue of a second airport for Sydney?

    Unfortunately, from Australia we can't take trains to any foreign countries and that is one reason why I believe Sydney must eventually get another airport, especially one that can operate 24 hours a day unlike the current curfew bound inner city one.

    The CEO of the current airport, Max Moore-Wilton, with no self interest in the matter (of course) argues there is no need for a second airport and besides, he argues, Sydney Kingsford Smith Airport can manage all Sydney's needs until 2049. That sounds a long way off until you hear, as we did today, that a new airport at Badgerys Creek would have planes flying there in 15 years time.

    Given that very few Government projects finish on time, let alone ahead of time, maybe that should read 18/20 years time.

    Pull the finger out Government and make a decision.

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    1. Victor, if a train could make the Sydney to Melbourne journey in the mooted three hours from Central to Southern Cross, would people really want to fly between the two cities? Once that market is killed, there would never be a need for a second Sydney or Melbourne airport.

      As for the curfew, people will avoid flights that arrive and depart at 3.00am. I don't think there is much in the way of landings or take offs at Melbourne Airport in the early hours, that is without a curfew. As I am sure you know, the Sydney curfew is more about politics than anything else. Funnily the residents of Melbourne are not arguing for a curfew, the cows in the landing path still give milk and the curtains aren't fading.

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    2. Andrew

      Curfew or not depends on how many people are living close to the airport. Living in the inner west, as I do, I hold the curfew as an article of faith. I think that Badgery's Creek is being proposed to fail - why shouldn't people out there (if there are any, and there are always some) have some sort of protection of a curfew - it's about uninterrupted sleep, incidentally. If we have another airport, then the extra capacity should surely mean that there can be a curfew there.

      Of course Max Moore Wilton will be happy to see people argue that the new airport can only be justified if there is no curfew. Then, in the absence of a curfew, the new airport will be resisted and abandoned. Then the case will be irresistible for the present airport to have no curfew. MMW will hopefully (OK, possibly/probably) be dead by then but by then his work will have been done.

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    3. I would not be surprised if it happens as you forecast Marcellous. Max the Axe is a very powerful person.

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  7. I LOVE flying, but I do love train travel too. Only if they're not suburban trains.

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    1. Fen, Eurostar and Shinkansen are very nice to travel on, but even the English country trains are pretty good.

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  8. I'd catch a train over a plane any day, I jst wish it was possible from here to Paris :))))

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    1. Grace, wouldn't that be great. What, a couple of days on a high speed train?

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