Monday, July 03, 2017

Pell and Savile

Is there an Australian naive enough to think that Cardinal George Pell will ever return to Australia to answer the charges against him? The abuse of children in government institutions and religious organisations seems like it was quite commonplace. The massive exposure around the world of such crimes has and will further reduce the opportunists and dedicated offenders. Some really good journalism and some brave victims have changed the world, for the better. And I guess I should include government action, though probably in a forced manner as a reaction to public pressure.

The world may not know about him, but Britain and because of publicity so too Australia knows about the late BBC star Jimmy Savile and his crimes committed against children.

Is there a connection between institutional abuse, clergy abuse and Jimmy Savile? I think there is, the reason being that everybody knew what Savile was up to and no one did anything. Likewise, with especially religious institutions. People knew and did not act.

Have a listen to the first minute or so of this interview with Johnny Rotten (aka John Lydon) of Sex Pistols fame. It includes a voice piece recorded in 1978. Savile's deeds were known about then, and yet for another three decades or so he was allowed to continue his criminal behaviour against children. Does that sound like what happened here in Australia?


PS I never liked Johnny Rotten and anything new I have just seen or learnt about him has not changed my opinion.

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  1. Andrew it is difficult to understand world now. Where is honesty, innocence and so on.... I do not know

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    1. Gosia, at least we do now know about the offending.

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  2. The insistence on not rocking the boat has left far too many people to drown hasn't it?
    On the George Pell front? I think he will manage to come back because this trip is about him. When it was about those he had left to drown? A no show.

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    1. Nicely put EC. You may be correct. The police would not have charged him if they did not think there was substantial evidence.

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  3. The saville case was complicated by the timing , celebrity , and lack of awareness about just what abuse was considered to be....

    As for jonney Rotten.....rotten by name......and by nature

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    1. John, it is perhaps a fine line at times, but Savile went way over that line according to reports.

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  4. Anonymous10:06 am

    Julia Gillard set up the Royal Commission into child abuse. Prime Minister Tony Abbott would never have done so. - Ian

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    1. Ian, he most certainly would not have. Too close to home.

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  5. Savile's conduct was way beyond anything which at present (as far as we know) is alleged against Pell. I doubt if that can be put down to under-reporting against Pell because if there was more out there at least some of it would surely have surfaced by now, don't you think?

    I am naive enough to think Pell will come back. He doesn't strike me as being the Christopher Skase type. Of course, I could be proven wrong about that.


    I don't assume Pell is guilty. Even if found not guilty that never establishes innocence, so the practical consequence of the charges must be to bring Pell's career as a prelate to an end. Given his age and the time the process will take that is surely already the case.

    I feel that people seem to think that the church is on trial here. The Church is guilty, so Pell must be. But turning that round, if Pell gets off these (quite specific) charges, that doesn't let the Church off the hook, including in a non-criminal way the legal means Pell used to protect its property against monetary claims.

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    1. Marcellous, I believe it has surfaced in reports to the police and naturally those who made the allegations were told to not go public with their stories. Guilty or not, found guilty or not, he is dislikable creature, but of course needs to be treated fairly by the law. You can be sure everyone will be dotting their I's and crossing their 'T's.

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    2. Guilty by association. an accessory.

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  6. Is the Cardinal being charged with his own sexual abuse cases? It is not clear. I think he is being charged with knowing about and protecting sexually abusive priests under his care, back when he was auxiliary Bishop in Ballarat.

    As far as the damaged children in Ballarat were concerned, the two crimes might be as bad as each other. But there is no comparison to the vicious Jimmy Savile crimes.

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    1. Hels it is my understanding that he is being charged as an abuser. I am not even certain that protecting them (as he assuredly did) is a crime for which he could be charged.

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    2. Hels, I understand it that is the case, as EC says.

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  7. Andrew, The Saville case dominated the news a while back. You couldn't get away from it .And what must seem odd to observers of this story is how he managed to get away with it for so long.

    Yes I remember that Johnny Rotten interview with Piers Morgan. Even I once had a friend that worked at the BBC and mentioned Saville, saying that the abuse was common knowledge.
    And yet through his charity, which might have been the protective shield he craved, he somehow managed to wrangle his way right to the very top of society, by regularly mingling with Royalty and even more bizarrely was the fact that he often stayed at Margaret Thatcher's private residence at Christmas.

    Yes, heads rolled and chaos ensued at the BBC, who must be to blame for the long delay of the final outcome.
    We have quite a list now of former celebrities that are serving Prison time and several popular Radio presenters were suspended then reinstated.
    There's also your very own Rolf 'tie me down kangaroo' Harris who got caught out... or did he just have fidgety hands. He certainly gave our Vanessa Feltz a bad turn on the Breakfast Show some time back.
    And yet the abuse carried out by Priests seems all so contradictory... our so called moral guardian Angels. And just this past week our former Archbishop of Cantebury George Carey had to step down from his current post after it was revealed that he was not very forth coming with information regarding a recent high profile abuse case. Looks like his holy legacy has gone for a burton!

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    1. Dee, any friend of Thatcher.... I believe we gave Rolf to you some time ago. Your responsibility! Priests should be the most trustworthy people in society and so many haven't been, and tarnished the no doubt many very good priests. I had not heard Carey.

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  8. Where does a conscience like this come from....Coffee is on

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    1. Dora, perhaps they just don't have a conscience.

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  9. If Pell DOES come back, which remains in doubt, it will only be because il papa has ordered him back.

    And then will he be found guilty? I suspect the church will find enough "good Catholics" to salt the jury.

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    1. Rozzie, you are even more cynical than I am. I expect lawyers will challenge juries over religion, if it may influence the outcome of any trial.

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  10. Everyone knew about Saville, just as everyone knows about the Catholic church. I've written about it many times.

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    1. Cro, oh that I had the luxury of time for blog back reading.

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  11. "Everyone knew and nobody did anything about it"
    That's what really pisses me off.
    Fucoffee's sake people, speak up when you know something isn't right, especially when children are at stake.

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    1. River, I reckon nowadays people will speak up. But then the other side of that coin is suspicion of totally innocent behaviour, for men especially, for gay men even more so.

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    2. These were vulnerable children, often without their own parents or from horrible backgrounds. There's so many reasons why nothing was ever said.

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  12. Filthy beasts! Surely no-one would get away with that now, although it has to be reported in the first place and there are women who wouldn't be convinced of fair treatment even now.. lawyers are clever devils at turning the situation around. As far as priests go the whole problem is the celibacy thing, it's not natural, they should be allowed to marry!

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    1. Allowing them to marry MIGHT fix some of the problem, but there are many, many, married child abusers.

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    2. Grace, I am not entirely sure about celibacy causing the problem, but it certainly would not improve it.

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    3. It still happens now, we just don't hear about it because it's kept well hidden. There are generations of abusers who are still at work. This RC is the tip of the iceberg unfortunately.

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    4. Fen, I really hope you are wrong. Surely people are aware of the risk of getting caught, as many have, and perhaps many didn't.

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  13. It's tiring to hear of the crimes of the powerful and allegedly religious against children and women. I've been reading about the awful behavior towards women, admitted of late, committed by leaders of tech companies in America. Power and wealth seem to make some feel beyond the touch of morality or law. But many of the same crimes are committed by trailer park scum drunks, also, I know.

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    1. Strayer, the must lose some morality to become rich and powerful. While domestic violence is not only among the poor, it does dominate.

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  14. Oh the stories I've heard would make your toes curl, and not in a good way. What we are hearing is the mere tip of an iceberg. This has been going on for generations and it will not cease any time soon.

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