Tuesday, August 09, 2016

Happy Census Night

Except I can't fill in the census form online as it too busy. Who would have thought. Every time I have had to fill in the census form, I have done it on the evening of night the census targets. I cannot tonight, receiving successive messages to try again in fifteen minutes. R keeps telling me, don't worry, do it in the morning, and that looks like what I will have to do. I made sure he was person 1 on the form, so I can lie on the form. Last census, I was quite proud to list R as my partner. I am not doing that this time. I will understate my income and fudge my employment details. I have been quite happy to list these in the past.

As I ranted to Sister, I believe in the census but there is no need to retain our names. Not one current affairs broadcaster has responded to the soothing words about privacy concerns as they at the Bureau of Statistics tell us the information is secure. I do believe what the Bureau says, it is quite secure, but nothing is ever totally secure. I do believe that not even the Prime Minister can access the information. But all it takes is a change of law for that to be altered.  Our government changes our laws frequently and often. While Australian might be a benign society now, it may not always be so.

Let's round up Jews/Moslems/Poofs/Blacks. We have the data and we just change an administrative detail to find these people out. It can be done just by changes to administration, without laws being changed.  Ok, it is unlikely but very doable.

As an example of the disingenuous ABS, the ABS boss in Victoria was asked why the ABS needs the address of our employers? She replied, so that we can see your work travel routes for future transport planning. If I give my work place address, I would give my work place head office, which I have visited only once. That is not the place where I travel to work, but it is my work place address. Tossers.

The government won't recognise us as a married couple, not that I would marry R anyway. For the 37 years we have cohabited, we have kept our money separate. If R goes to the shops and buys an avocado for $2, he will note it and I will pay him $1, assuming I eat half. If he eats all the avocado , then I don't pay. Ok, not quite as stringent as that, but generally we each pay our own way. His money and income is not really known to me beyond that he seems to have enough money, and I suppose he could see my annual wage, if he really wanted to look around the computer or the letter rack. He doesn't bother.

10:36 and still the ABS website is still not working.

36 comments:

  1. It is 1.22 a.m. and the site is still borked. I trusted my pen and filled out the paper. Yes, it's late, I can't sleep.

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    1. Jah Teh, did you make up the word borked? I like it. Mother hasn't received her paper census yet but we had a paper one hand delivered to our door. I told R we should give Mother our paper form to fill in. That would make things interesting.

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  2. Andrew your relationship is interesting but the most important thing is works well.

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    1. Gosia, mostly works well.

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  3. Wish I'd kept things separate rather than trusting to 'true luv'.

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    1. Cranky, it was not my idea initially, but it has been better for us in the long run.

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  4. I too failed last night. I completed the damn thing but couldn't submit it. And the site is still overloaded today. We have until late September to complete it I gather. And the ABS has that long to get it right.
    Your financial arrangements sound much like ours. And we have never (and will almost certainly never) married either.

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    1. EC, the radio news was very enlightening this morning. The ABS took the website down. When I was young I thought having separate finances showed a lack of commitment. I don't now.

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    2. I notice they say they were hacked. Which is yet another reason to be less than comfortable with their plans to keep the names and the linkage codes.

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    3. hacked?? Aww, rats! and other words unprintable here.

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  5. Anonymous8:34 am

    I don't know why the census people needs these forms any more. With all the security cameras around, there's probably one on the lamppost outside, peering in your bedroom window. Or soon will be. I wonder what it will see? :)
    Here is Thailand, Telecom regulators have approved in principle a requirement that foreign visitors use special SIM cards in their phones that can be tracked by the authorities. In the interests of national security of course. - Ian

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    1. Ian, yes, there is a Vic Roads camera outside our building, installed for CHOGM when it was held in Melbourne. No doubt it has been updated but I don't think it can see my frequent masturbation in my bedroom. I hadn't heard that about Thai SIM cards. Are farang very concerned?

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    2. Anonymous4:51 pm

      A day after the original announcement and it's been clarified. They originally announced for tourists only. Then updated that to include all all foreigners living in Thailand and now they have backtracked to tourists once more. To track down visa overstayers, says a government official. Which begs the question, what do they do if the tourist doesn't have a mobile? Buy him one so he can be tracked? Surgically insert the SIM card? Another silly thought bubble officials are fond of. An idea that nobody thinks through. - Ian

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    3. Ian, Thailand does rather excel in silly things like this. So it is nothing to do with a terrorism threat, where some of the many and varied races from different countries can seem to freely float around Thailand? Ok, visa overstayers, possibly pumping foreign money into Thailand. How to create an instant black market in local sim cards, #101.

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  6. I did my census form just before dinner, about 6:30. you have until September to get the form done, I don't remember the exact date but it's right there at the bottom of the form.
    I mistakenly ticked the "keep this information for 99 years" box, but I don't think I have anything to worry about.

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    1. No River, nothing to worry about for you. You are as clean as the driven snow. Hmm, your parents were German. What did they do during the war. Survive as best they could? By doing what? Yes, it is a cheap shot, but when Australia has its next Jewish Prime Minister? It won't happen in Australia of course. But it could.

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    2. I've never heard any war time stories from my parents. When I was very young, before mum left I didn't even know there had been a war, nobody talked about it much.I did learn later that dad had been in the army, conscripted with all the other young men and got shot while fighting and he once bragged about flying for the Luftwaffe, but don't know if that bit is true. Mum was a teenager for most of the war, they married in 1947 when mum was 21 and dad 22. That's all I know.

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  7. Well I ordered a form as my computer was playing up ,but still waiting for that but you do have time to complete it as the government agencies would have trouble running a chock raffle in a hen house.
    Merle..............

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    1. Anonymous4:56 pm

      My favourite is 'couldn't organise an orgy in a brothel outside a naval base. - Ian

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    2. Merle and Ian, I rather like, 'couldn't organise a piss up in brewery.

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  8. I ordered a form too. That in itself was difficult as I needed 2 separate forms. There was no way I could do this with the automated message. Had to speak to someone and every time I tried to do so was told they were too busy to answer the phone and then THEY hung up. I don't like being hung up on. No-one does, aye???

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    1. Charlie! How have you been? I don't like the sound of them hanging up on you. I hope you gave them a severe bark in reply.

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  9. Like JahTeh, I tried many times and failed. The Census screen told me to retry in 10 mins. Nope! Not! Never!

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    1. Hels, surely you are not going to fail to fill in the form. You as an historian know the value of such documentation. I just might forget about the whole census business too. This will go down in history as a skewed and inaccurate census.

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    2. I missed one census. Had the form filled out and ready to post and discovered it dropped down behind the bookshelf when moving house. So I ripped it up and threw it away.

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    3. Andrew

      miss the census? Never! I use census data all the time at work and rely on it occasionally for blog posts. But even now (two days later) every attempt to fill the form in... fails.

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    4. River, and you weren't fine $180 a day for not filling it in?

      Hels, do not rely on the 2016 census stats. They will be the most unreliable in history. The ABS released the news that names will be linked on Christmas Eve, as I recall. Fortunately some picked that up. Late Friday ABS releases a statement about what went wrong, thus avoiding serious media scrutiny.

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  10. It was a Denial of service attack from overseas hackers so they closed down to protect information already given. So much for any online voting in elections.

    Andrew, I'm surprised, as a blogger from my era and you've never used 'borked' when the computer didn't work.

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    1. The relevant Minister is now denying that it was an attack.

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    2. Jah Teh, the situation seems to have changed since then, and I was at work so I am now not up to date. Truly, never come across borked. It sounds like it might be from The IT Company tv show.

      EC, the minister responsible for this disaster census speaks.

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  11. How often does Australia takes count of there people? The do the United States every 10 years. Our next one is 2020.
    There the long and short form. Most people get the short form. Name, age , and few simple question. But the last long form if I recall ask about living condition.

    But every so often a state does it own census. It doesn't look like Idaho every did there own.But Washington the state west of me did one in 1898.

    I work for the census in 2010 mapping and enumerator. I did meet all kinds. Maybe when I have not to post about I could post about the more interesting people...Most of them where kind and nice people.
    Coffee is on

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    1. Dora, every five years. It used to be every four year, I think. My sister and a friend have both delivered census forms in the past, and they have told me of some of the reactions. Most people are nice. Sometimes people are upset by things and take it out on who knocks at the door.

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  12. You worried over security then it comes out they were hacked? Andrew the Prophet. Some states here want to vote via electronic device and I, being older, think, that is playing with fire, since they can't secure anything anymore, in the cyber world.

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    1. Strayer, the one good that has come out of this debacle is that electronic voting will be a long way away for Australia.

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    2. And how pleased am I that electronic voting will be a while off. The debacle on the census night was laughable.... not that the site crashing affected me. Paper ones were still hand delivered to us for some reason.

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    3. CM. perhaps the ABS did not want to give country people another reason to complain about their poor internet service.

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