Tuesday, February 09, 2016

The PM after the next two elections

This is Malcolm Turnbull. He is our Prime Minister. As I correctly forecast, he overthrew the previous Prime Mininster, Tony Abbott, and will lead the Liberal Party to successfully win the next Federal Election. Note, the Liberal Party is not very liberal but quite conservative. However, it is quite a bit more liberal under Turnbull. Former Prime Minister Abbott has been travelling in the US and speaking at a meeting of folk who don't believe in gay marriage or abortion or any other progressive social policies.


This man is Bill Shorten and he is leader of Her Majesty's Opposition party and leader of the Labor(sic) Party. He is not electable at all but why waste a good potential Labor Prime Minister on an election the Labor Party cannot win? R dislikes him intensely and has done since the pie shop incident. Do Ann O'Dyne and Jah Teh remember seeing him when we lunched at Spencer Street Station and Ann said he looked like a bookie (horse racing taker of bets).


Who to lead the Labor Party to success after the next election or even the one after that when Turnbull falls out of favour? The male talent seems very thin on the ground. My money is on a woman. Tanya Plibersek presents very well, is clearly smart and a smooth operator and has not put a foot wrong. At the moment she is Shadow Minister for Foreign Affairs. That is a good grounding for a future PM. Maybe she is not warm or cuddly enough though.


My money though is on Penny Wong. Although she is a Senator and would have to change to the House of Representatives, that would be no problem. She is smart. She is a good head kicker. She is very eloquent. After being Finance Minister in a former Labor government, she is now Leader of the Opposition in the Senate and Shadow Minister for Trade and Investment. As a lesbian with a partner and child, she would obviously pick up the gay vote, the alternative family vote, all Labor votes and much of the Asian vote. She has a quite high public profile. I would be quite proud to call her Prime Minister Wong, until of course the political realities set in and she turned out to not be the Messiah.


Photo credits in order: Twitter, Wikipedia, News Limited, ALP.

46 comments:

  1. Interesting times ahead.
    Turnbull is hamstrung by his party at the moment. And Labor unelectable at the moment.

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    1. Correct on both counts EC.

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  2. Anonymous7:32 am

    I wouldn't trust Tanya an inch. I used to like her but now I think she is the flip side of Julie Bishop. Just as Labor and Liberal are two sides of the same coin. Neither lot deserves to be in power. You need to see someone with a bit of integrity and honesty leading the country, like Tony Windsor, but not possible under the present system.

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    1. Tony Windsor was remarkable and I like Nick Xenephon. I think Tanya has a decent social conscious but is perhaps very much toe the party line.

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    2. Anonymous2:35 pm

      That's the problem with the party system. I'm sure there are many decent people in parliament on both sides who have to do what party HQ demands, rather than what the voters want. At least Tony W listened to/consulted his constituents. I'm sure Malcolm T would be a much more effective PM if he could get rid of (i.e. out of parliament) the barking mad hard right led by Captain Clownshoes. That man will challenge for the leadership again before the next election.

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  3. Interesting persoanlities

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    1. Gosia, and strong personalities.

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  4. It's anyones bet who will win but I agree Labour has little chance unless they change leaders and that often happens so who knows.
    Merle...........

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    1. Merle, it does but there seems no obvious replacement.

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  5. At least you don't have to deal with a Trump.

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    1. Cranky, we do have to deal with his rubbish on our screens though. Maybe he will just fizz out.

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  6. All for Tanya and Penny. Libs must hate going up against these two, they have the facts and the ability to put them so that people understand what they are talking about. Unfortunately in Canberra they have to deal with the bloke culture, the godbotherer culture, the homophobic culture and the just plain hate women with brains culture. I mean Barnaby Joyce in a debate with Penny Wong, what a blood bath
    that would be.
    @The Cranky, I feel for you if he ever makes it to the election. Sometimes I swear that Voldemorte is hiding under that hair of his and whispering instructions.

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    1. Jah Teh, as has been said before, it is extra hard for women in these circles. Joyce won't debate because he is not up to it. He would be massacred by logic and commonsense.

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    2. Anonymous2:28 pm

      Barnaby Boofhead is back on Q and A next week. What happened to the gods of old who used to smite people with thunderbolts? Donald Turnip needs a few. - Ian

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    3. Turnip, lol. I think I will use that myself. Joyce can be quite entertaining though.

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  7. Tanya Plibersek for next PM with Chris Bowen as her deputy.

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    1. Allan, Bowen is fairly obvious alternative to Shorten. Not sure he would be happy with anything else than being number 1.

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  8. Malcolm Turnbull looks like a person you could trust, (but looks can be deceiving); Bill Shorten has a face that would have me locking my doors and windows if I saw him in the neighbourhood.
    the women? I like both of them; I've read articles they've written in the papers (not recently) and they seem to have a good handle on things.
    The trouble with Prime ministers though, is all the under staff that has to be listened to and all those promises to be acted on. Unlike household management, where mum's word is law, the Prime Minister has to be told by several dozen people what to do, where to do it, and how to do it as well as carry out his own ideas. If he is allowed to. Then there is the opposition from the other party; "you wouldn't let us do so and so, now we won't let you do such and such"; childish pettiness. Which is why a lot of promises never get realised.

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    1. River, you are being very practical and quite correct. Although I think a good and strong PM is able to negotiate his or her way through such things up to a point.

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  9. Unless Labor select a decent leader they will never win an election yet!

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    1. Margaret, the point really is that there is no point wasting anyone electable against Turnbull. People just like Malcolm, regardless of his politics. I find myself in the same category.

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  10. Going to be a case of 'be careful what you wish for' or 'you reap what you sow'

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    1. Cathy, and we must sowed very badly in the past at times.

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  11. I think that all politicians to whatever party they belong are more or less the same. You can't be honest and be a politician ! In my opinion women are much better, they would rattle less with arms !

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    1. Gattina, we have had a few who we could describe as honest, but not many. Yes, female politician are much less of war mongers.

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  12. Politicians?
    Are there any you trust beyond the first five minutes of their rule? Whatever they promise you to get them elected is pie in the sky.

    It is here, anyway.

    We too have an unelectable Labour Party leader. A man of principles but quite barmy, unfortunately.

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    1. Friko, I am sure your Labour Party leader is a very nice chap, but he too is unelectable. Is the same happening in your country? No point wasting a good Labour leader against Cameron? Btw, for the first time in my life I cannot remember the name of the leader of your Labour Party.

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  13. Just reading your short post, I'll vote Penny Wong. I know nothing about any of them, but we have no one to vote for here for President next election. I guess I could write in an Australian.

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    1. Strayer, not that I like her very much, I hope Hilary gets the gig. God forbid that Turnip is elected to anything.

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  14. Our treatment of female political leaders has been shocking and while I agree with you about the abilities of both Plibersek and Wong I fear either would be subject of the same vitriol hurled at their predecessors.

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    1. Victor, I think the poor treatment of female leaders is well recognised and I suspect there may even be a little contrition by some. I suspect in the future it will be no worse for a female leader than it would be for a male. Fingers crossed and I hope I am correct about that.

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  15. I am a rusted-on Labour voter and party member, and would rather have my molars taken out with a metal nail file than have a Conservative Parliament. Furthermore my natural preference would be for a woman party leader rather than a man.

    However Thatcher showed us that women can be evil too :( And Plibersek's bitter anti Jewish remarks show us that a] she would be a nasty party leader and b] one section of my beloved Labour Party is becoming dangerously anti-Semitic.

    Rock on Penny Wong! She needs to move to the lower house.

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    1. Hels, I had to do a little reading and it was a matter about which I was quite unaware. Regardless of the content of what she said, it was downright intemperate and showed a lack of maturity. She killed the Jewish vote for herself forever more and therefore I doubt she will ever run as PM.

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    2. Is the Jewish vote actually so big? The Jewish population of Australia hovers at around 100,000.

      I don't think it is the Jewish vote but simply the fact that it remains political death in Australia to speak out in opposition to Israel or even some Israeli government policies. In that respect, Australia is an international outlier but it remains the fact that the slightest peep of such sentiment is very quickly slapped down by the right and by Jewish people who care fiercely about Israel. In that way, public discourse is frozen. That's Jewish influence (though you have to be careful suggesting that) rather than Jewish votes.

      I note that TP has disclaimed her "rogue state" comments. They are infamous simply because they are so beyond the pale in Australian political discourse.

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    3. Marcellous, I simply don't believe that figure of 100,000. I can only suggest it must be a very tight definition. As you would be aware, I know a number of Jewish people online as I do personally; my nephew's partner is Jewish and my late step father was partly Jewish, although nominally a catholic.

      I don't disagree about public discourse being frozen and it should not be. The passions of youth can be excused but TP was hardly a uni student on the floor of parliament. It was foolish of her. I expect she could have raised the points without the invective.

      My own Federal MLA is Jewish with a large Jewish constituency in an increasingly marginal seat and he is a most reasonable man and unlikely (I really should check this) lay into Palestinians on the floor of the house.

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    4. I suppose Michael Danby is your MHR. I doubt if he lays into Palestinians generally, but he is pretty quick to respond when anyone criticises Israel or starts showing sympathy for Palestinians.

      The actual figure for Jews I have seen is 112K; there is a looser definition which doubles the number but that is just by a rule of thumb. Living where you live could well give you a misleading opinion of how numerous Jews are in Australia.

      In 2002, at the time the USA was urging everybody to invade Iraq because it was a rogue state and its leader, Saddam, was a war criminal. Plibersek said that the same applied to Israel (illegal occupations; disregard of UN resolutions) and Ariel Sharon (presumably in relation to Shabra/Shabrila massacres) and the USA wasn't taking any action against it. Is that what you identify as invective?

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    5. Correction: Sabra and Shatilla - so long ago and my memory not reliable.

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    6. Much better than my memory. Yes, Danby is indeed our local member. I grew up in the country where we had three exotics at school, a German, an Italian and a Greek. Jewish bankers ran the world, so my father told me. The younger Andrew may have been interested in Jews running Hollywood.

      I was among majority who thought the invasion of Iraq was wrong and we have been proved correct and suffer the repercussions today. Of course Israel wanted to see Iraq confronted by The West, but who did the invading? The West. By all means, Israel is open for criticism, but if anywhere was due attack, which TP did, is Western Powers, but is was foolish of her to drag Israel into the argument. I now agree the number of Jewish in Australia may not be what I thought, but as you earlier suggested, they are quite influential. It is not what she said, but how she said it. Diplomacy is so important in international relations and even TP's political lovers could not argue that she did not do anything but get off on the wrong foot. She blotted her copybook early and may or may not recover from that, Jewish influence not withstanding.

      While you and I may reside in comfortable Labor electorates, it matters not so much what we think. What matters is what Mr and Mrs Smith-Wong in a large house with little land and poor public facilities and with an eye to their hip pocket think, remember and know. Politics #101 doesn't care two hoots about the Middle East or Jewish/Palestinian relations.

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    7. PS I never thought this would be such a, stimulating for me, post.

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  16. Ms Plibersek is very impressive and my preference over Bill (I do recall that day, at first I got the name wrong and thought Bill Kelty was the name I needed for the face. he was with a blonde woman).
    I like to think Tania P is the alligator floating just under the surface with only eyes showing, waiting for the right moment to POUNCE on the leadership.
    I missed her contentious comment - was it genuine anti-semitism? or a beat up by the press?
    Penny W is fab and funny and clever but her gay partnership has to be a voters problem sadly (unless ALL gay people voted for her, that would be a landslide).

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    1. Ann, I wonder if the blonde woman was his betrothed, daughter of our former GG?

      I like the alligator analogy. Plibersek's rant under parliamentary privilege was as bad as it can get if she wanted to court the Jewish vote, regardless of the rights or wrongs in the Middle East.

      Just thinking, there is some racism in the gay community, but probably much less than there used to be.

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    2. "her gay partnership would be a voter's problem"
      Why??
      If I thought she was the right person for the job, she would get my vote. Being gay makes absolutely no difference.

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    3. River, while it shouldn't be, I am sure some people would have issues with her being gay. The number of those I am pleased to note have significantly decreased over the past few decades.

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  17. Oh lordy you always make me laugh Andrew.. I must be the only person not to have heard about the 'pie incident' talk about miscommunication, hilarious :) It looks like it's unanimous then, Penny Wong it is.. or moi, oh hang on I'm rubbish with budgets :)

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    1. Grace, Penny can be your finance advisory. I'll have to have a word with her though, otherwise we will see half of the wealth on the eastern side of the country transferred to the west.

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    2. That'll be the day :)

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