Saturday, January 16, 2016

No good will come

Oh god, I sound like a politician when I use the phrase, 'genuine refugees'. Without doubt in my mind, many who fled Syria are not genuine refugees but people looking for a better standard of living in a western country. The same applies to many who want to come to Australia. They want a better life for themselves and their children, and who could blame them.

Germany's Chancellor opened her country's doors to these supposed refugees, and without doubt there are many refugees among the million. I simply cannot imagine how Germany could absorb one million refugees without there being trouble, especially when most are young men and many with poor education. At some point, I thought, this will lead to the downfall of Merkel. While I doubt Merkel is loved by the left in Germany, I think she was respected by most as a decent person. The left conveniently forgets its green credentials when it comes to immigration. The Green left is blind to the destruction of our environment by overpopulation. The Australian Greens, of which I was once a member, would have an open door to anyone in dubious circumstances anywhere in the world.

To much red neck applause, our former PM Howard said, we shall decide who comes to Australia, but wasn't he right about that? We need a firm and consistent immigration policy that does not flood the country with people from certain places where strife may be happening. Immigration is good for our country, but it needs to be carefully managed, not a free for all for the latest country in trouble. We take in refugees, as we always have, in an orderly manner, and as we did in the not so distant past offer temporary refuge to people who's country is in turmoil but could return to normality.

Back to Merkel. In my wildest imaginings, I never thought her German open door policy to all would go so wrong so quickly.

Germany was not successful at integrating its cheap Turkish labour into German society, when they were eventually allowed to stay permanently.  Why would the country be successful now at integrating people from Syria? My guess is that Merkel wanted mass immigration for new cheap labour and to create economic activity. It is not my business to guess about German economics, but after the awful business in Cologne and other towns, that has grown exponentially since my first post, Merkel's open door refugee policy is a chicken coming home to roost far more quickly than even I thought, and this is just the beginning.

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  1. It's a terribly difficult and complex situation. When I was in Germany late last year, two things struck a chord when it came to this issue. The first was seeing incoming refugees being met by officials at the Frankfurt Hauptbahnhof. The family looked overwhelmed, not the least because there was also a camera crew filming their arrival. The second was a visit to the Jewish museum and reading about the displacement of people during the second world war.

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    1. Ad Rad, the thought did enter my head that Germany is trying to make up for its past.

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  2. No easy answers here. And the orderly queue question is fraught with difficulties too. For some, putting their hand up to leave could only bring trouble. On them and their families.

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    1. True EC. But there must a better way to offer refuge to people than what has happened.

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  3. Andrew I totally agree with you and there are a lot of problems in Germany. And I think the situation will be worse.. What future will be for us white people here

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    1. Gosia, I think many people in Poland and I know in Hungary think of that.

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  4. Anonymous9:30 am

    Howard, back in the 70s, was horrified when Malcolm Fraser let 250,000 Vietnamese boat people resettle here. He didn't want Asians at all, but then he didn't believe in multiculturalism, which has enriched our country. But even Fraser had offshore processing centres in Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia.
    Fraser said we had a moral obligation to help the victims of a war in which we'd fought. Howard pandered to the fear of terrorism following 9/11. Today, refugees should go through the proper channels, not be allowed to arrive by the boatload or flood across Europe. But it's very complex. - Ian

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    1. Ian, Fraser did behave honourably and Australia is better for his actions. I hated the way Howard played Australians like he did. I just can't see how a flood of refugees can be good for them or the receiving countries.

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  5. We here in Australia don't hear about the problems they are having in Germany or any other European country for that matter. I expect it's only reported in other languages most of the time....We in the Western World are told by reporters in the news or read on the internet what has happened. The German people know who are living it.
    I really don't know if there is any good answer to this Refugee problem. Sometimes there isn't an answer, maybe this time there isn't.

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    1. Margaret, I have been closely following what is happening in Europe via English language versions of media, and it is not pretty. There is certainly not an easy answer.

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  6. ewww nasty!

    Every single person came into Australia as a refugee, or the child of a refugee or the grandchild of a refugee. If Australia had not have opened its doors, our generation would have been getting TB down a Welsh coal mine, starved to death in Southern Italy, persecuted in Lithuania or bombed in Vietnam.

    Thank goodness some countries acted morally.

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    1. Hels, I don't mean to be nasty and as you can see everyone here has sympathy for the plight of the refugees, but how can a country possibly absorb over a million people in one year, and maybe another million this year. Where will it end? At the very best, many Germans will be resentful and you know that the extreme racist whites are always just simmering away.

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  7. I have a lot of feeling for these people but as you say they are mainly men, have they left their wives and children at home to fend for themselves or are they trying to find a better life for the whole family a bit of both I think.
    What would you do in the same situation I would like to think I would stand and fight no matter what happened but as I have not been in that situation I don't know how i would feel but I do know that if you offer no resistance nothing will get better and you should at least try to get your country back.
    Merle...................

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    1. Merle, if I thought I could find sanctuary in a western country, I would take the chance, no matter what. Stand and fight against the irrational and religiously motivated? No, it is futile.

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  8. I agree Germany has made a mistake taking in so many all at once. Just to get cheap labour? That's the old saying, pay peanuts and get monkeys. Not worth it in the end. Countries anywhere are better of with the regular trickle of immigrants that come legally and are willing to assimilate and work and become citizens. Of course the millions of refugees aren't a trickle and they have to go somewhere, so it seems the whole world is in the same dilemma.

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    1. River, it is truly a dilemma, because many have lost everything they have and have no future in their own country.

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  9. You say:

    "Without doubt in my mind, many who fled Syria are not genuine refugees but people looking for a better standard of living in a western country. The same applies to many who want to come to Australia."

    Whatever you mean by "many" that only really means "some," and whatever doubt you lack that there are "many" doesn't really translate into a reliable conclusion about any.

    I could equally say without doubt in my mind that many people who have fled Syria have fled because things are pretty bad there at present - as the enormous numbers of displacements internally and to neighbouring countries make pretty clear.

    I think that means I am with Hels.

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    1. Marcellous, I am an amateur blogger with minimal education. The nuances of many or some are beyond me and I don't understand your point.

      I don't disagree with your last paragraph but what good will it do flood Germany with refuge seekers. Why Germany? Do we want to see a rise of skinheads bashing foreigners on the streets of Berlin? Immigration is sensitive in all countries and needs to be carefully managed by governments.

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    2. Oh, Andrew, you are too modest.

      All I meant was that even if many are "non-genuine" refugees, how many fall into that category and how does the fact that there are many "non-genuine" ones help you work out the status of any particular person? Many are still "genuine" refugees. How many? Same question in reverse, but I think conditions in Syria are so bad and the rise in would-be refugees is more explicable by reference to the deterioration of conditions there than to any upsurge in people deciding to move to "improve their standard of living."

      Lots of other difficult questions of course.

      As to how Germany will cope with 1 million refugees, that's not such a different figure per capita of Germany's population than the 277K or so (figure plucked from net) of the figure deemed acceptable for capitalism's purposes in Australia in recent years.

      I realise you're not so happy with that either but surely you'd agree it's not a figure that has caused social breakdown even when maintained (as in Oz) over a number of years.

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    3. Marcellous, Syria is crap at the moment but it won't always be. I think like temporary refuge was offered to a Slavic race in the late nineties, that may well be a solution. Oh my, I had no idea Germany has a population of 80 million. I see your point. I wonder where they all were when we were there.

      No, that immigration level hasn't caused social breakdown. They stay on their side of town and I stay on mine. Yes, a flippant remark but there is a little truth in that too. It was only about ten years ago that I saw my first really dark African immigrant on my side of town and he asked us some directions. He was a pleasant young man, but they aren't all as I have personally learnt.

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  10. Don't forget that Merkel came from Eastern Germany where people were shot when they tried to get to Western Germany. She knows what it means to leave a beloved country because your life is in danger. There are always bad people amongst the goods. The worst is that the good people have to pay for the bad once. It depends what jobs they have learned I have heard that all computer specialists were immediately hired as soon as their papers were in order.

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    1. Gattina, that much we in Australia know, that Merkel came from behind the Iron Curtain but we know little else about her. The alternative to good people paying for the bad is to see people starve on the streets and no society wants to see that.

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  11. Thanks everyone for your comments. It is a challenging subject and my post was provocative and I was a little dubious about posting it, but I am pleased I did as your responses have been both enlightening and interesting. Not one of you seem to be an uncaring person.

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  12. I have no idea what to think of refugees. Where I live a third of the population come from Mexico or have been born to those who came across, many of them illegally. While the right loudly proclaims the border will be sealed to this, it is businesses here owned by conservatives who love to hire them, as they can be exploited for cheap labor as they are afraid to stand up. We have school funding issues on the other hand, but a good percentage of students do not have parents who came here legally. It is far more expensive to educate children whose birth language is not English. So you have both sides and I see both sides and also see our culture is almost second rated to Mexican culture. Most of these people are not refugees as you would think of them, fleeing war or persecution, but people seeking better lives, as they come from third world countries like Mexico and Central America whose governments are corrupt. then I think why don't they stay if they love their countries and make them better. No country is changed without extreme sacrifice and dedication. If all the hard workers come north, what is left in their own countries. I don't know any answers.

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    1. Strayer, we certainly heard about it here, the Republicans employing illegal Mexican immigrants as maids etc and yet making a huge stop the Mexicans stance. Immigrants for a better life should probably arrive via proper channels and not as refugees.

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  13. I agree with what you say. And dumping a million Arabs into Deutschland seems a bit nutty to me. Bizarre in fact. Maybe Merkel doesn't want her job anymore.

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  14. Anonymous6:11 pm

    You said:

    "The left conveniently forgets its green credentials when it comes to immigration. The Green left is blind to the destruction of our environment by overpopulation. The Australian Greens, of which I was once a member, would have an open door to anyone in dubious circumstances anywhere in the world.

    To much red neck applause, our former PM Howard said, we shall decide who comes to Australia, but wasn't he right about that? We need a firm and consistent immigration policy that does not flood the country with people from certain places where strife may be happening. Immigration is good for our country, but it needs to be carefully managed, not a free for all for the latest country in trouble. We take in refugees, as we always have, in an orderly manner, and as we did in the not so distant past offer temporary refuge to people who's country is in turmoil but could return to normality."

    Considered joining the centrist Sustainable Australia?

    www.VoteSustainable.org.au

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    1. I will take a look Anon, with the as suspicious eye that it is not a front group for a different agenda.

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