Tuesday, February 17, 2015

Indonesian Games

Indonesia seems to be ready to murder in cold blood two Australian citizens because of their drug importation offences.

I will call it now. It won't happen. I don't understand the mechanisations that are happening, but I don't think they will be killed. An alternate view of mine is that maybe they will be killed, which will go down really well for local Indonesian voter consumption. Everything like this must be judged by constituent votes.

ABC Melbourne radio breakfast broadcaster Red Symons made an interesting point this morning. He had watched a movie about an English hangman, who hung hundreds of people in the 30s and 40s, including those convicted at the Nuremberg trials post WWII.

Those who the English hangman hung were not alerted in advance to their demise. They were quickly removed from their cell and hung, all happening within a minute and were immediately dead.

Yes, while murder by the state is bad, to take those about to be murdered by vehicle to an airport, fly them somewhere, then transport them by ferry to an island where they will be shot dead must surely be classed as a cruel and unusual punishment beyond just shooting them.

Later edit: Dealing drugs is not direct murder. Blowing up and killing Australians and locals in Bali is, yet those who did that are now free from gaol in 2015. Indonesian values must surely be called into question. 


20 comments:

  1. Unfortunately I will call the opposite - it will happen. And if it does, all Australian aid to that country should be instantly withdrawn. If Abbot has *not* threatened this already, then he is more of a dimwit than we're giving him credit for. And if he threatens this and then does not follow through, well, that'll be the end of his career I think.

    Not that I agree with drug smuggling, I think if these people did that, they are enormously stupid because they likely knew very well what the penalties were. But stupidity should not = death.

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    1. Snoskred, I agree with your last sentence. Stupidity should not equal death.

      But withdrawing aid will barely affect the rich and decision makers of Indonesia, nor will a boycott of Bali.

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  2. An Islamic militant gaoled for the Bali bombings that massacred more than 200 Australians and locals in 2002 was released from prison in 2006. Many of the others who played some role in the mass murderers are now enjoying shorter prison sentences.

    I am speechless.

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    1. Hels, your point is so salient, I am going to edit my post.

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  3. Sadly I too am sure it will happen. It would also be very hard politically for Indonesia to back down now I guess. The death penalty is barbarism in my book, and just appalling for the crime they committed, especially given length of prison time already served.
    I know Indonesia has its own system and has the right to administer justice per its laws, but in every justice system including ours there are injustices and wrong decisions, and this would be one of them.

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    1. Jackie, I can only say no one has the right to take another life like that.

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  4. I am very anti drug pushing but I am also very anti death penalty.
    I don’t know the details of this particular case but the way you describe the treatment meted out to the offenders I would call it inhuman.

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    1. Friko, it is quite inhuman and the punishment far outweighing the crime, as serious as the crime was.

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  5. Its a tricky one for sure.. I know they were young at the time but not THAT young, did they have any qualms about the young or not so young people they would sell and maybe hook on the drugs. Will the probable outcome hopefully serve a purpose in that it could be a real deterrent to future young people who might think of doing the same thing and damn the circumstances... Questions, questions.. Would the parents of children they might have sold drugs to be sympathetic, it goes on! Sounds harsh I guess but we all take responsibility for our actions.

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    1. Grace, I think the way they have turned their lives around counts for something, hopefully not just done to paint a better picture of themselves. The death penalty as a deterrent has been studied extensively and found to be not be a deterrent.

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  6. I don't think they should be killed and I hope they aren't, but I expect they will be. I feel for their family.

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    1. WA, yes, well once it is over they won't know the difference but the family will be left to grieve.

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  7. I too expect they will be killed but I hope I am wrong.

    Our Federal Police have a lot to answer for exposing our citizens to this situation when they might have apprehended these individuals according to Australian standards of justice and punishment.

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    1. Victor, I think the Federal Police involvement will become a large and disgraceful story once........well.

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  8. Andrew what a cruel country and law..

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    1. Gosia, I am not sure that it is the most corrupt country in the world, but it is very corrupt.

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  9. I agree the waiting and the delays in the act being carried out are worse than the execution, but if it does happen I for one would never visit their country for a holiday as who knows what you could get mixed up in, as I would find this whole situation very distressing and they have a legal system that is very confusing and maybe a bit dishonest.
    Merle.................

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    1. Merle, it is certainly different to our system. Indonesia is not a good place at all, not even for many local people there.

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  10. This whole issue seems to be dragging on too long, I'm no longer sure they will be killed. I think the Indonesian government is milking the situation as much as it can for reasons unknown to us, while making people more aware that drug smuggling is not tolerated.

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    1. River, the only reason I can think of that the government is milking it is for domestic consumption and the credit it can gain.

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