Thursday, January 08, 2015

Je suis Charlie

I think there may have been a cartoon or two around lampooning Hitler at the time of his ascendancy. I can imagine Punch having something in its pages.  Maybe if there were more cartoons, the German people may not have been so enthralled by Heir Hitler. (Hels, there is post for you, cartoons lampooning Hitler)


So for my contribution to Je suis Charlie, something totally inappropriate, in the manner of a cartoonist.

It is rather sad that society judges Moslem people by the radical members, unlike we judged Catholics by the actions in Northern Ireland. Catholics world wide weren't judged by the actions of a few in Northern Island.

But having said this, by golly, there really does not seem to be much to like about the Moslem religion. I try to be a reasonable person, I try to understand but I'm afraid I said to R tonight when I arrived home from work, 'More fucking Moslem animals at work'.

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  1. II think a deep breath in is required by all
    We live in dangerous tines

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    1. I'll get myself into trouble if I say 'too bloody right John' about the dangerous times. We cartainly do to take lots of deep breathes.

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    2. Though John, statistics tells us we are generally safer than we have ever been.

      Cathy, I suggest we don't personally become overconcerned as us being so worried kind of gives 'them' a victory.

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  2. I think there has to be some serious 'in house' work done Andrew.. I truly believe it's only a small proportion of the HUGE muslem communities world wide that are out and out murderers, so perhaps the majority need to pull their finger out and sort it out before all belief in the possibility ends.

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    1. Grace, it is such a difficult thing. I don't apologise for what was done in the name of Christianity and I wonder if the general Moslem population should either. Better minds than ours need to work on the matter.

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  3. I agree with Grace. The moderate muslims have to try and reign in the radicals but I guess that means more civil wars. Good on the cartoonists around the world who are going to continue with a vengence..

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    1. I'm wondering how they do that though (reign in the radicals). I think the violent radicals will just end up hating and separating from the moderates. At best they'll ignore them. At worse, they might kill them.

      It's such an ugly situation, and I have no idea how things can ever improve.

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    2. Diane, the response to the tragedy has been pleasing and that is what is needed, a defiant stance.

      Dina, you may well be correct. Perhaps it is only a matter of the West trying to minimise the damage at times.

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  4. There's good and bad in all of us but by golly some of the baddies are cartainly getting out of hand.

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    1. Cathy, they are quite inhuman actions, aren't they.

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  5. This has been on my mind a lot, since the Lindt Cafe siege.

    In Australia we are very live and let live - you do your thing, we'll do ours, and we'll accept you and your thing, regardless.

    For many years, even though the feminist within me truly has a serious issue with how women are treated via this religion, even so, I - we - have accepted, without question.

    But people are starting to ask some questions, and rightly so, because I do not think these are unfair questions. I've seen people asking -

    Have we made a mistake here and allowed a group of people into our country who do not wish to be as accepting of others as we are accepting of them?

    Have we allowed entry to people who cannot accept our live and let live lifestyle?

    While I might want to accept the women who observe and wear the hijab, are they accepting of me not making that choice? Are the men?

    While I have friends who are not heterosexual and I - we - are all accepting of that, is that particular group of people willing to accept that? What are they thinking about these lifestyle choices? Are they accepting of that, or do they think it should be illegal and non-heterosexual people should be put to death, as happens in some Middle East countries?

    Is Islam simply incompatible with western life?

    I do not have the answers to any of these questions, and I don't think many of us do. But maybe these are things we need to start thinking - and talking - about.

    We've allowed so many people into our country over the years, so many different cultures and religions, and for the most part it has worked out brilliantly.

    This time, it is possible we may have made an error, and it might not be a fixable one. :(

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    1. I think you ask some very good questions.

      Hopefully, it was NOT a mistake for Australia to let all the people in. And I think there are many wonderful Muslim people who contribute to Australian society. Or at least don't cause harm. I'm not sure how you weed out the bad from the good.

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    2. Snoskred, my argument is usually that we take too many people from one troubled area too quickly. Society needs time to adjust to incomers and an avalanche is not the best way to do it.

      While many may not approve of say gay rights in Australia, I would hope the vehemently opposed would not want to come here anyway.

      Yes, generally immigration to Australia has been very successful for both the newcomers and the originals, well us anyway. It does not seem to be happening now.

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    3. Dina, I wonder if the French are now asking that question of themselves and their representatives?

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  6. So many questions, so few answers. And no, I refuse to tarr all Muslims with this brush.

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    1. EC, I doubt any of my readers do. They are so decent and reasonable, but even the most reasonable person can only take so much.

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  7. Andrew, policy connected with Muslims must be strict in Europe. In Germany there are a lot of Muslims but German government runs a wise and strict police so I can say they don't have any problems comparing to France.

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    1. Interesting input Gosia. Would not German's Moslems be mostly Turkish workers from years ago?

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    2. Andrew, most Muslims in Germany come from Turkey they can live and work there but they have to obey the fdollowing rules:
      firstly they must speak only German not their first language, secondly they can not cover their faces and they must live in separate suburbs so the are strictly controlled..

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    3. Gosia, I am very surprised at such strict conditions. I am not saying the situation is good or bad, but I would like to investigate further.

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    1. A very sad event for so many Fen.

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  9. I like your indecent cartoon response very much. To freedom of speech (raising glass), long may it live, in defiance of all those who try to silence the voices of others.

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  10. I loathe satirical and nasty cartoons, poked at other nations and other religions. The most offensive of all were KKK cartoons, showing black men about to be lynched ... the joke was always about the victims squealing like stuck pigs.

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    1. Hels, I would hope KKK cartoons like that are now unacceptable. It is a fine line and is often about the context, but I think they are good way of taking down those people, leaders and even countries that are so full of self importance.

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  11. The religion itself isn't the problem. It's the fanatics and the way they interpret it to suit themselves and demand everyone else see it their way.

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    1. River, as you know Christianity has extreme fanatics too, but they don't seem to have quite the impact that this lot does.

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  12. We say not again too...most of the muslims prance around as if they own the place. So many different interputions of the Quran amongst them. Always bad in all races and it's a big problem.

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    1. WA, interpretations are one thing, but the my way is the only way, I am right and you are wrong is what I have issues with. You don't find this in other religions as much.

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