Saturday, January 19, 2013

Founded on Christian values

When I hear these words, I get a little afraid, usually because of either the person who utters them or the motive behind the words. It is not because I don't generally agree with Christian values, that is we ought not go around smiting and coveting, least of all one's neighbour's ass, no, its the suggestion that Christianity is the only religion to hold such values that troubles me.

There may well be some obscure religions that don't hold such values, but which? Surely Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism and Islam have similar principles, that is guiding principles to ensure society functions? No doubt someone can quote extremes from any of the religious books, the bible included. Let me just suggest that they are historical novels and should not be taken as records.

It is extremely arrogant for Christians to assume that they are morally superior because they have Christian values. (You may well wish to comment that it extremely arrogant of non believers to know they are right, but then hey,  science is on my side)

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  1. How can one religion be better than the other when all religions pray to the same fictional character, its just a case of smoke and mirrors, bluff, scare tactics and hocus pocus.

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    1. Yep Windsmoke, but don't tell that to the passionate.

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  2. I have no problem with people living according to their values, it is only when those values come attached with the label of a religion that I am troubled. Values with a religious tag often involve intolerance, inflexibility and an absence of empathy.

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    1. I don't disagree with you Victor, but the essence of all religion is surely good.

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  3. The joy about separation of church and state, i.e the separation of religion from political power, is that people in authority cannot be seen to be giving public preference to one religion over another religion, or over no religion. [People can say anything they want in private, of course].

    Although you occasionally hear a politician, judge or newspaper editor in Australia talking about a nation built on Christian values, it is thankfully quite rare. Not true in countries where there is no separation of church and state, or in countries where people in authority feel free to promote Christianity as the normal national value system.

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    1. Yet Hels, Britain has a head of Parliament and a head of the Church of England who is the same person. While I am very pro the separation of church and state, I wonder where that example came from.

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  4. Yet another reason I voted against Howard's cynical preamble: "With hope in God..." indeed.
    We should also get rid of the Lord's Prayer from our Parliament.

    How ludicrous that e.g. the catholic church will have the right to discriminate against gays in employment... but will be subsidised regardless of the number of children abused.
    I do agree, however, that we cannot expect any religious org to tolerate behaviour antagonistic to its core beliefs - but blanket regulations have the side effect of criminalising common sense.
    The shared values of a majority of Australians should not take second place to religious "interests".
    If a government sought to impose bad values on its citizens, one would hope that decent people of any religion or none would speak up and that, regardless of their "reason" for disliking those bad values, would be part of an effective majority.

    We are most of us arrogant some of the time, but it would be nice if we could agree to disagree rather than be intolerant.


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    1. FC, I can't recall how I voted for the preamble, but I expect against. How can we supposedly embrace multi culturalism and other religions when the Lords Prayer is said in Parliament?

      I do have faith, faith in the sensibility of Australians to reject bad values.

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  5. I think you may stir up a can of worms here. I'm not religious but where did our society's values come from? Christianity, I would have thought.

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    1. Diane, I do know how to push buttons and even in today's times, religion still pushes buttons. Yes, Christianity is where our values came from and I thoroughly approve of them, but the point I was making, maybe poorly stated, is that Christianity does not have have a right on values. All religions have similar values to Christianity.

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  6. Let everyone live according to their values, but don't assume that "your" values are better than everyone else's. And don't ram your beliefs and values down our throats.
    All religions have their arrogant "we're superior" types.

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    1. River, aren't the essential values of all religions much the same? Value is the key word. You don't kill. You don't steal. You are kind to animals. I am sure that is in all religions.

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  7. I am a Christian (and American, at that.) I was sitting in Church listening to our pastor translate a passage of scripture for us, telling us what it meant step by step. In my own heart those words meant something entirely different. I ultimately left that church, but the fact is that the Bible is to be read by us and applied to our own life. We are not to be brandishing the Bible around like a weapon against others. A lot of Christians miss that, and I apologize for their ignorance. On the same token, I am a Christian. I have been mocked by non-believers. I am not stupid or superstitious. How about we all just make a deal to live our lives according to the dictates of our own conscience, and let everyone else do the same.

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    1. Thanks Debby. Pleased to hear your views.

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