Sunday, December 16, 2012

Guns don't kill people. Really!

'You have elected me as President and the leader of our great country. While some of you will not be happy with the decision I have made, it will lead to a safer United States and we will not see our beautiful sons and daughters lose their lives in such tragic circumstances as we recently experienced. With the exception of farmers issued with rigorously investigated permits, professional shooters, sports shooters at sanctioned clubs and special police squads, guns will be removed from our society. The average person will never ever see a real gun in their lifetime. The penalties for illegal ownership of guns will be severe. '

Later edit: While the figures above appear pretty dodgy, there is some good information to be found at The GuardianWikipedia and Forbes.

26 comments:

  1. I would love to know in which year those figures were applicable. After guns were virtually banned from Australia, Britain, Japan and other modern democracies or before? Unless it was a joke-type poster, I cannot imagine that many people being killed by handguns in one year in Switzerland, Israel etc.

    If those American figures were accurate, the nation's population would decrease from handgun murders faster than it grew from babies and migrants.

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    1. The figures are very doubtful Hels. I am going to add a couple of more creditable links.

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    2. Very doubtful :) There are some 193 nations in the world. The UNODC reported that the countries with the worst firearm murder rates, per 100,000 people, are found in Honduras (the very worst), El Salvador, Jamaica, Columbia, Puerto Rico, Brasil, South Africa, Dominican Republic, Mexico, Paraguay, Zimbabwe, Argentina, USA, Gaza, Uruguay, Peru, Sierra Leone and Chile.

      Those countries with none or almost no firearm murders, as a rate per 100,000 people, are Japan (the very best), Singapore, Romania, South Korea, Norway, France, Hungary, Britain, Poland, Israel, Slovenia, Australia, New Zealand, Czech Republic and Spain.

      Unfortunately the data are from 2008. Even so, there is no reason to think that Hondurans, Mexicans, Argentinians, USA or Sierra Leonian citizens are innately more murderous than the Japanese, French, British, Australians or Czechs. The only difference is the presence of guns.

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2012/jul/22/gun-homicides-ownership-world-list#data

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    3. As always Hels, there are statistics and different statistics and then lies.

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  2. I've forgotten the name of the President who said that. Wasn't he the last one assassinated?

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  3. Colin6:21 pm

    Atrocious figures!
    Why on earth you need a semi-automatic machine gun to go on a turkey shoot is unbelievable!
    Won't they have to change their constitution on the "right to bear arms???"

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    1. Colin, turkeys look pretty inoffensive to me. Why shoot them? I don't believe the constitution has to be changed. It can be re-interpreted.

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    2. Colin9:50 pm

      Andrew "turkey shoot" is an expression, has many meanings or interpretations.
      You can "google" it, wikipedia.
      However, it seems to have originated with the open season on wild turkeys.
      The most famous of these "turkey shoots" was The Battle of the Philippine Sea (June 19–20, 1944.

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    3. Thanks for the cultural clarification Colin. I did not know.

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  4. Watch how many stand up in protest as they support their right to bear arms. America has been a gun society since the old west days, and most people there still think it is the best way to defend themselves.
    I myself don't like guns, and wouldn't dream of ever having one in my home.

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    1. River, it is not much more simple than why do you need a gun? Guns kill people and things. Why do we need to do that?

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  5. "Americans like their guns more than they like their children" I heard on Tv tonight.

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    1. Diane, it is not a bad line to use against the gun proponents.

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  6. FC cracks me up, she is brilliant!! I was talking with an American friend today and said I could never live in a country where it was everyone's right to own a handgun, because I can't understand why..they agreed!

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    1. Grace, I think it is a very vocal but small minority who wont' allow gun control there. Perhaps in the country where you came from, there may well be need for a gun.

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    2. If you mean Zimbabwe and Zambia you are probably right now Andrew but when we grew up there over thirty years ago, no way. That's why we left.

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    3. Interesting Grace.

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  7. Colin7:44 am

    More from a Canadian e-mail friend from Deer City, Alberta on the school shooting. This e-mail arrived overnight and I think says it all.

    "Absolutely tragic in Conn. As far as guns are concerned there , any changes will never happen. It will be like the buffalo they will shoot until there's only one left standing.
    Strong laws won't keep the guns out of the hands of criminals but it will keep them out of the hands of the nut jobs. In the U.S. there is basically nothing done in the field of mental health so these people wonder the streets and are untreated. Some of them should be institutionalized."

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    1. Colin, while the poor treatment of mental health is very valid, already you can observe the pro gun lobby using this argument.

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    2. Colin2:14 pm

      Here read this:
      "The Supreme Court in McDonald v. Chicago (2010) determined that the right of an individual to "keep and bear arms" is protected by the Second Amendment. It is incorporated by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, so it applies to the states."
      Now you can't as you have suggested "re-interpret" a Constitution or a Statute law.
      The law has to be changed, in this case in the USA by a majority of the Justices of the US Supreme Court. I can assure you that the gun lobby, the US Rifle and Gun association will challenge, and not forgetting the "nutters" of the Tea Party organisations, I think Tennessee has a new President, a bible bashing bitch.
      However, if Obama, unlike Howard with the Port Arthur massacre by a looney, Howard by taking up the challenge and he would have been voted out at the next election,
      I believe Johnny boy got back with an increased majority (?), Obama doesn't have this problem, this is his last term - again in the US Constitution - 2 terms ( yep, I know that Roosevelt in WW2 had three, but did die in office before term three was completed.)
      Will Obama bite the bullet? Or take it on, I suspect not. He would make himself and his family the #1 targets of a bullet from a nutter. I don't think (rude word) he has the 'balls' to take them on.
      On this one I hope I am wrong.
      I look at only about a dozen "BLOGS" - comment on some directly or e-mail the Blog owner.
      Strange that to date, not on of the Yanks have put up a word? I wonder why?
      I bet Yank tourists here at present are keeping a very low profile.
      See also Julie Bishop's (Opposition Deputy) great article in the Sydney Telegraph on this utter stupidity. Good on Julie.
      Of course nothing from her leader???
      Your reader "BlissHill" is right,
      I note that "BlissHill" is not an American.
      Turkey shoots, of way back even before the War of Independence, they were for early settlers to put food on tables, and were not meant to kill innocent kids at school and according to the Medical doctor at the hospital, the bodies of all killed were drilled with bullets.

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    3. Thanks Colin. I am obliged to you for your research. I suspect most Americans who you or I would read know that it is a huge problem and they are the types to not have a gun in their pockets and hope no one else does. It is complex country, but perhaps open to common sense in that if no one has guns, I don't need one.

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    4. Colin9:28 pm

      No research. Just history lessons from the late 1950's.
      You are a bit younger than I, but surely you did do Modern History???? Maybe even Ancient History, with all those difficult names to recall???? I did at that time hate Ancient History, now courtesy of my good mate, Wikipedia, I am at last learning.
      Never TOO OLD to learn, pity about the Yanks!
      The above minus the Tennessee "person" comment and dispatched to them all. No comments back, I await with bated breath for the "possible" replies.
      One must keep them on their toes, eh?
      I love crossing the Rubicon - ha ha.

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    5. Yes, I did Ancient History. What was boring then, I find very interesting now.

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  8. 2011 Murders with firearms in the US totalled around 9000. That's a lot of dead people.

    The Gun Lobby is clinging to an antiquated Second Amendment that was installed in 1791, when the world was a far more dangerous place. It just isn't needed now. The mother of this boy had her own guns and used to take him to the shooting range to teach him how to shoot. Didn't work for her... or Newport.

    How do you get all those gun off all those people who love shootin' up stuff? Their wildlife is fair game: it's hard to believe there's still a deer, hog, turkey, squirrel or any critter still alive. It's so deeply entrenched.

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    1. Thanks for the stats Bliss. I have noted that a very high percentage of suicides in the US are by gun. Since Howard's gun law changes, the number of suicides by guns has dropped by a huge amount here in Oz.

      The US is so out of step with the rest of western world in so many ways, yet apparently it leads us.

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