Saturday, February 25, 2012

Sydney versus Melbourne

I've got Sydney on the back foot just with the subject line. It has to take an active position against the superior Melbourne.

You may have noticed on occasion some bantering between Victor and myself over the supposed merits of our respective cities, mine being Melbourne and his being Sydney. If you are from Melbourne or Sydney, you will understand. If you are not, like from overseas or even worse, one of the BAPH cities, maybe you don't.

This brief article explains the rivalry and its origins quite well.

16 comments:

  1. Melbourne wins for me, even if I don't by into the rivalry - but it's all because I have more ties there these days than Sydney. I still have a lot of affection for Sydney, though - big part of my growing up. But I know Melbourne a lot better. It probably helps that I'm a step removed from both!

    In Tasmania, you could substitute Melbourne v Sydney for Launceston v Hobart, Burnie v Devonport, North vs South, and so on...

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  2. I, a Melbourne resident, married my then boyfriend, a Sydney sider, 41 years ago. He left Sydney in Dec 1970 and has never returned to live since, but he still gets a misty look on his face when he talks about surfing on Bondi Beach before school each day.

    You can take the boy out of Sydney, but you cannot take Sydney out of the boy. He still calls a football umpire "the ref"!

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  3. You guys from Melbourne are always on about the Sydney-Melbourne rivalry. In Sydney, we're just thinking about New York. :) Seriously though, BAPH? How exclusionist is that, completely forgetting Canberra and Darwin.

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  4. Smudgeon, yes re Tassie. Devonport is only in the running because the Melbourne ferry pulls in there.

    Hels, from the days when Bondi was a Jewish area. Forty one years. I am processing that.

    James, yes, it does seem to trouble us more, not sure why, but do look up the origin of the BAPH. Your and my ABC.

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  5. I'm a South Aussie gal, but have moved, lived and loved in Melbourne on three different occasions in my life and suspect that there'll be at least a fourth and a fifth return. Sydney never even featured in my imaginings.

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  6. I couldn't imagine living anywhere else but Melbourne its the most liveable city in the world :-).

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  7. Who would rather drink coffee and read a book in a dark cafe somewhere? Me!

    When I lived in Canberra I yearned to return to Melbourne, place of my birth. Sydney, less than 4 hours away never figured. I live in the bush, but Melbourne is not far away.

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  8. Funny how Melbourne is always on about how it is better than Sydney when in Sydney we never give the 'rivalry' a moment's thought. (I notice this article from Melbourne's The Age does not feature in it's sister paper, the Sydney Morning Herald.)

    At the state level we get the same nonsense from Queensland which wastes hours compiling arguments why it is superior to New South Wales.

    Now, what is BAPH?

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  9. Kath, I think Sydney feels very alien to people from SA, whereas Melbourne does not. Adelaide did not feel alien to me.

    Windsmoke, not so much when I was younger, but now, yes Melbourne is my home.

    Christine, a dark cafe, good coffee and book sounds great to me. While I do need to revisit Canberra, it did not appeal to me at all when I was there many years ago.

    Victor, I did assume the piece was in both papers. Like you and James say, it is a one sided rivalry. I'm not saying a thing about QLD, lest I offend. BAPH, an old ABC term for the non Sydney/Melbourne cities, Brisbane, Adelaide, Perth, Hobart.

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  10. That's the problem with people from both Sydney AND Melbourne! They think it's a two horse race!!

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  11. Don't bring horses into Red or I will have to talk about the world famous Melbourne Cup.

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  12. What is a BAPH city? Please tell me it doesn't mean Beyond All Possible Hope, aka Adelaide. Now I'll go back and read the article explaining the rivalry.

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  13. Your timing is perfect. This morning (Sun) in The Age there was an article called A Bitter Tale of Two Cities.

    "Where did the pernicious rivalry between Melbourne and Sydney spring from? And why, after almost two centuries, are snide, decidedly mean, remarks still being traded between the grown-up citizens of both capitals.

    It's hard to identify where it started. Some say it blew up during the 26 years from 1901 to 1927, when Melbourne became the interim base of the newly federated Commonwealth.

    Other historians believe it began when Melbourne experienced the financial windfall and population explosion that came with the 1850s gold rush, which, for the next 40 years, elevated it to the most populous city in Australia and one of the wealthiest on Earth."

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  14. River, did you invent that version of BAPH? As I replied to Victor, Brisbane, Adelaide, Perth and Hobart.

    Hels, Hels, you didn't click the link. That is what inspired the post. The article was online last night. Quite amusing though. Bit sad that Sydney doesn't fear us.

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  15. Hi Andrew, I know what the origin of BAPH is, and having worked in both Canberra and Darwin, as well as Renmark and Wagga, I argue against the folly of the phrase BAPH internally also. The BAPH people also need to remember it's not just them, it's CD and lots of regionals too. James

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  16. It's still used then James, even if you don't approve. I suppose when it was coined, there were many less regional stations.

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